BBC Radio Podcasts from It’s Not Always Black and White

It’s Not Always Black and White

Finding Your Tribe

Bongi flies solo to meet a group of black mums to talk about raising kids with your tribe

What I Don't Understand About Patriotism

Bongi and Matt talk more about racism, micro aggressions, unity and English patriotism

Wearing Onesies To Bed

Bongi and Matt get personal than ever talking about love, sex and relationships.

It's Tough Talking About Emotions

Bongi opens up about her own mental health and how heart-breaking personal losses hit her

I Never Thought I’d Shower With A Dog

Bongi and Matt reveal just how pampered their pug Winston what their families make of it.

The Lord Moves In Mysterious Ways

Bongi and Matt talk about their differing views when it comes to faith and religion.

You Can’t Choose Your Family

Bongi and Matt are back and talk openly about cultural differences between their families

It's Not Always Black & White Is Back

It's Not Always Black and White returns this January with Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson

Football and Racism Special Part 3

Bongi and Matt discuss how politics ended up on the pitch at Euro 2020.

Football and Racism Special Part 2

Bongi and Matt talk about players going from heroes to villains at the sound of a whistle

Football and Racism Special Part 1

Bongi and Matt discuss racism and football after the abuse aimed at black England players

10. Race and Racism Part 2

Bongi and Matt discuss the use of racist language and how to talk to kids about race.

9. Race and Racism Part 1

Bongi and Matt discuss becoming aware of racism and how it's stuck with them as adults.

8. Sex and Relationships Part 2

Bongi and Matt get deeper into their own relationship and confess their dating disasters.

7. Sex and Relationships Part 1

Bongi and Matt explore sex and how their cultures attitudes help shape their marriage.

6. Great Britain Part 2

Bongi and Matt get into British accents and discuss why swearing is just not acceptable

5. Great Britain Part 1

Bongi and Matt explore what is great about Great Britain and what isn’t so good.

4. Fashion and Beauty Part 2

Bongi and Matt get into fashion disasters and why white men should moisturise.

3. Fashion and Beauty Part 1

Bongi and Matt discuss how cultures see beauty differently and why hair can be political.

2. Cultural Differences Part 2

Bongi and Matt find out what they love most about each other’s culture.

1. Cultural Differences Part 1

Bongi and Matt let you into their marriage and start exploring their cultural differences.

Welcome to It’s Not Always Black and White

Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson explore love, race and the grey spaces in between.